So far, correct me if i’m wrong, all speakers have used macOS and iOS of Apple? Why are the speakers not using even Linux nevermind Ubuntu at Ubuntu Summit?
For example during the demo of new handy Matrix features, all was done with Apple gadgets and operating systems so Linux users watching can’t straight out tell if the new improvements presented work at all as nicely as in live presentation.
Of course everyone can use what one finds best, but geez this is the main event of Ubuntu Linux… Any thoughts?
I’ve Linux experience going back to 2006 (being around 10 years old) and been publishing several snaps consistently snaps for about 6 years now.
I don’t daily drive Linux, and outside of testing, don’t even use my own packages. In 15 years, I’ve probably used Linux on bare metal for 3 months, all this year.
Whilst it would be nice to have, my experience is that it isn’t there for me yet. If anything, it’s actually degraded in 15 years as the hardware complexity increases and software design is rearchitectured to expose more underlying issues. What’s the point of me having a machine that at 6 years old can’t play YouTube videos without kernel panicing? When on Windows its a capable med/high end gaming machine and can run VM’s?
Linux is a big space, bare metal desktops are only a small part of it; and to be quite frank, if you’re at a conference needing an all day battery life on an efficient but powerful chip, well, Macbooks are pretty highly rated! Linux or otherwise.
People can contribute to huge parts of the ecosystem without ever being fully in it, and I think we’d stand to lose more than gain if things weren’t so flexible.
In summary, I think you’re probably meeting a lot of backend-techs with a need for an all day battery .
My daily driver computer is Linux, but in a pinch I have a backup computer with me that is a Dell XPS tablet with Windows on it. I also have to have that so I can do emergency things for $DAYJOB where only I can fix things. Which in turn is why I need Windows for that stuff.
I wouldn’t say the problem is the use of Apple equipment, Linux, etc. but what equipment they have for their daily driver systems or in some cases what infrastructure is issued for their job if they’re representing their company. That’s where you run into the problem of different devices from different companies, etc. in use.
All my computers with me here at the Summit are Dell computers, with mixed OSes. That doesn’t necessarily mean that third party groups are going to be here with Ubuntu systems. There’s no restriction on this either currently.
Our goal for the Summit is to be a showcase of the entire open source community. While it would be awesome if all of our speakers used Ubuntu on their personal devices, some choose to use something else. In our view, it is the open source projects these folks represent that are the real focus.
Perhaps once they spend a weekend surrounded by hardcore Linux users, we can bring them over to our side.
On an RTX 2060 with NVidia 535 (as recommended by the driver installation tool), no. Videos would eventually cause a kernel panic. Infact everything would eventually cause a kernel panic, videos just did it more commonly.
In 2006 trying to play RuneScape as a child, I’d have ALSA fight Pulseaudio depending on whether Java (RS) or Flash (YouTube) opened first. Despite how frustrating this was in 2006, it was solvable and provided useful insight in audio subsystems down the line.
Meanwhile in 2024 with a barely 5 year old GPU (that’s still good, supported, and even has unique specific Linux features due to it being slightly older), no, and I don’t even get to go “ah but this bad experience helps me down the line with knowledge”, because that’s not true for this specific case either, given how proprietary and custom to NVidia the whole stack is. The Bumblebee/NVidia Optimus laptops I had nearly 10 years ago were more stable (again, for me!).
I understand its a unique experience and not representative of the average, but to me personally, I had more success daily driving Linux 15 years ago. Whilst in theory it’s more there for me today (I own a Steam Deck, and Tux the penguin on Team Fortress 2 from the first 2 weeks Steam went stable on Linux!), I’m not paying to replace kit with more kit that also might not work. It’s just not a problem with e.g., the Macbooks mentioned originally.
Ultimately the experience should be better. I think for programming and server roles it is for a lot of people and that’s where the Macs come into play, just like myself making snaps in WSL2. (And other places) WSL2 has better Wayland support than Linux itself (third time of, “for me” ).
LOL soon these Apple hardware devotees don’t have the excuse of not using Ubuntu on their macs as we saw with Ubuntu Asahi and T2 project representations at the summit.
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