Maybe, it's time to drop the "Unity look" from default Ubuntu?

It’s not a different matter since I’m answering to a explicitly quoted statement that says no other extension will have to be maintained.

Plus, regarding app-indicator, I believe you’re still assuming you get a systray for free, maybe because of the confusing wording in the description of dash-to-panel “application launchers and system tray are combined” while neither systray nor app-indicator are listed as provided features of dash-to-panel. This makes me think that systray is loosely used there to refer in general to the place where applets live.

Not going to discuss how to read.

If D2P is chosen for default Ubuntu, then only one external extension has to be maintained. […] Then, the only other extension to maintain would be the desktop-icons

And I’m not going to discuss how to write.

Guys. Can you take a break from this abrasiveness. It’s really not welcome here.

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Ok, I don’t want to be aggressive, I’m just trying to state that the post is very assertive in that the proposed change will simplify extension maintenance a lot, which is simply not true, because it only replaces dash-to-dock with dash-to-panel. And every time I made my point @chanath ignored everything about app-indicator and about the misleading way the case for dash-to-panel was presented, so I felt the need to elaborate. Sorry for my last response about how to write anyway, I shouldn’t have counterattacked to the remark about how to read, even if ill-intentioned.

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The point is to drop the “Unity look” with a left side launcher and a top panel, that doesn’t hold the app menus as in Unity. Neither the Unity Launcher nor the Unity top panel can be recreated in Ubuntu Gnome shell. The Gnome apps don’t have a top app menu, so the matter of the global menu is simply not there. Therefore, a top panel as such is not needed on the screen.

EDIT: Below is Manjaro Gnome with D2P vertical panel. It came with D2D that looked more like today’s Ubuntu default. But with D2P vertical, things get equalised.

The categories, you see here is not Manjaro default.

The top bar has a purpose. Mainly for people who use mouse input more than keyboard. Top left to view the activities overview. Right next to it is drop down menu for current active application in the current work space, which has shortcuts (i.e. Firefox has ability to launch new widow or private window, or with Video player you can play, pause, etc.) The middle has time and date, also when clicked is the notification area, as well viewing weather any other timezone you have added. To the left we have icons related to wifi, bluetooth, power etc.


Just push the “super” key.

All those are there on the D2P panel. Install it and see.

I don’t know if its time to change from Ubuntu Dock to D2P, but when there was problems with Ubuntu Dock the other day D2P was mentioned as a workaround. I installed it in the bottom position and has been using it since.
It provides a W10plus experience and is extremely feature rich and easy to customize.
As far as I can see it provides all the functionality compared to the two panel configuration.

@chanath it is really nice that you discovered dash to panel. And it’s a really good and polished extension. Yet Ubuntu users expressed that they prefer a panel and a dock. Dash to panel also misses notification badges and progress bars as far as I know.


We are always thoroughly excited when Chanath discovers something new and lets the world know.

And we appreciate his care for desktops that he doesn’t use himself.

Sarcasm is all right. :slight_smile: Some people needs it, when nothing is around.

Discoveries; D2P since it appeared in the horizon few years ago. The 2 panel idea, one vertical, one on the top, since 2010 with Ubuntu netbook edition. I’ve discovered Ubuntu around 2005.

Sure, I don’t use Gnome shell for daily work. But, I “play” with it (and other distros/DEs) sometimes. Most times trying to break them – quite an old idea in the Linux world, usually called testing.

Anyway, you guys are lucky that no one these days care to “remix” Ubuntu (default) any more. If at all, only Zorin, but with its own “system” extensions, but without the shell peaking out. And, the Zorin brothers keep the extensions, the bottom panel close to their shirts.

The idea of the left launcher began with the netbook edition. (Btw, I have a copy of EasyPeasy still.) The former UBuntu’s left launcher and the present Ubuntu’s left launcher are not the same and never will be. The present one is not Ubuntu’s like the old one, but someone outside. So, maybe its time to find its own panels/docks like the old days.

Maybe this?

Nice guy!

If the upstream shell would offer the dash (the dock hidden in “activities”) permanently or if the overview/activities mode would be the default I think the dashtodock adoption wouldn’t have happened. But hiding all app shortcuts is not a good design for the average user (there is an upstream bug about this somewhere) though it might be the perfect setup for some power users. Imho putting everything inside the panel is not the answer because it’s too full of things to click at.

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Its time to find something unique for Ubuntu (default), not for the upstream. D2D is not unique for Ubuntu, Manjaro Gnome comes default with it. The Zorin brothers came with their own unique stuff for example. There’s nothing unique in Ubuntu today than the rather dull theme.

It is pretty rare, practically nonexistent that someone dropping something unique to him/her for something available for everyone to copy.

Uhm… So when it’s unique it’s good design?
Why not make the panel change the location every time you unlock your screen? Pretty unique


Sudden decision and time constrain at that time. Read from…
There’s enough time now…

The top panel in Unity had a job to do, holding app menus, the global menu, while the gnome-shell’s top panel is just taking space, giving nothing much, especially useless on small laptop screens.

I can’t agree with that. It holds the clock and system controls. Yes you can shove them in on the side in a vertical bar, but there is not really any space for them, so they are forced into a strange vertical orientation. The solution we have now is closer to Unity, which did a great job. Whenever I try to re-create the Unity look in Plasma as an example, I always end up using two bars because having status icons and the clock shoved into the left-hand panel never really looks right.

The Ubuntu dock, a fork of Dash to Dock, only configures the Gnome shell’s Dash, which doesn’t have much possibilities. It cannot minimise, maximise from the dock. It cannot hold a clock. It cannot hold notifications and so on.

Minimizing from the dock has always been problematic. What do you do the minute there are multiple windows? I like the choice Canonical made in Unity actually: simplify behavior by making a click on the icon either launch it if the application is not active, or bring up the last used window for the application if it is active. If there are multiple windows and the icon is already focused, bring them all up in an overview so that you can select the appropriate one. (this leads to very fast window selection, because double clicking an icon brings up all your windows to choose, and even gave you the option to filter the list by typing a few characters!)

Now you have consolidated the functionality into 1) launching and 2) bringing a particular window into focus. Adding minimization just complicates things. Though I appreciate Canonical enabling the minimize/expand window controls for familiarity reasons, they aren’t even necessary. I realized that actually minimize is a rather pointless feature in most cases. Either kill the app if you no longer need it, or just switch to another window.

I did the same thing to great effect in Unity 7. Have a bunch of windows loaded and just swap to whatever I need. Why minimize? The main reason is to “clear” the desktop to make it viewable, so you can interact with the icons there, but if you are launching everything from an overview anyway, and you can access files using the file manager, what’s the point of clearing the desktop? (not to mention that if it really is so important, you could always have a “show desktop” option, either as a button and key combination, or as part of the alt+tab feature, unity had all three of those)

It’s even more useless in Gnome because you can dynamically create/destroy workspaces, so getting to a clean desktop is just a ctrl+alt+down, or hitting the meta key/activities button and then selecting a clean desktop to work from.

If anything, I would like Canonical to move closer to Unity in design, not further away. A really cool feature would be if you could click twice on an icon with multiple windows and have the overview come up with only the windows specific to that application. I also miss the HUD and filtering windows by name… (KDE actually has the latter feature, I’m so jealous! :star_struck:)

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It is nice people are discussing this matter politely and seriously. I always found one dock/panel being the best for me, in Openbox, former Gnome, XFCE and in Windows. I liked, and still like Unity for its beauty and the abilities of the launcher etc, even though I couldn’t get the top panel to hide. But, the top panel had a job to do, other than carrying a clock. It also carried a lot of usefull stuff, indicators on the right side.

I agree with you that minimise is not a die to have an option. But good to have. It is there in Windows 10 too, and by swiping from the left of the screen the “overview” appears and one can choose between open apps/files. Not only that, you can open last week’s apps/files/folders and so on.

All right, if there’s no other way than use Gnome shell as the default, the Unity experience could be continued, but something in-house should be found, so Ubuntu look would be unique. At that time half way in 17.10, there was not much time, but now.

Anyway, is the screeny below Ubuntu or not? Themes, icons had been changed. The browser is Web. The theme is Adwaita.

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