Is ubuntu-software going to be remove for snap:snap-store?

Again, misunderstanding my point. It’s not that Chromium, Firefox or LibreOffice are untrustworthy. It’s cementing the idea in people’s heads that it’s okay to go and download random binaries. “We’ll I did it for Firefox, so it must be okay” as a pattern. So no, just because one application may be considered trustworthy by some, does not make all applications available trustworthy.

For example a random binaries downloaded from the web have no sandboxing. The application may exfiltrate the users ssh keys, gpg keys or other important security information. This is not a path we want users to be sent down.

Some might, but I wouldn’t generalise in that way. Many have been given Linux on their desktop by their organisation IT function. As such they would not be charaterised as ‘exploring and experiment’ but just a simple user.

Stop falling into the trap of “I do this, therefore everyone does this”. It’s clearly not the case.

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That’s exactly what I am trying to say. Automatic updates are good enough for click and shoot guys, while check and update is good for those, who have some interest in the system they use. A typical Linux user is someone, who explore and experiment. Otherwise, s/he is not.

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As previously mentioned, we have the capability for users to defer updates, and take control over when their applications update - or “check and update” as you call them. That’s possible.

That’s excellent. But, the user should be encouraged to explore and experiment, even make mistakes, otherwise the interest in Linux would die away. There are enough click-and-shoot OSs around.

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Those discussions are quite off topic from the original question, would be best to stop there…

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The settings wireframe on that page includes text that @oSoMoN has added in Focal: “Snap package updates are checked routinely and installed automatically.”

Ideally, I think, that text would be dynamic to summarise your current settings (for example, “Snap package updates are checked Mondays and Fridays.” or “Snap package updates are checked five times a week.”). And it would be followed by a “Details…” button, which would open a secondary dialog for controlling the schedule as well as listing recent updates.

Sometimes I design things in the hope that someone will implement them someday. I haven’t had time to do that with this dialog.

But if anyone here is interested, a simple first step — useful and releasable by itself — would be to add a caption below the new label, of the form “Last check: Yesterday 16:27”. If someone submits a merge proposal to do that, then I’ll design the next bit.

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Three weeks later, it does not seem to be the case. I still have the snap versions of gnome-{calculator,logs,characters} alongside their deb versions, and I still have the deb version of gnome-software instead of the snap-store snap.

A user in the #ubuntu+1 channel confirmed that a fresh install of the development release only features the deb versions of gnome-{calculator,logs,characters} (not their snap versions), and features the snap-store snap (alongside the gnome-software deb).

We are past UserInterfaceFreeze, so I’m starting to suspect that users of older installs of the development release are supposed to perform some additional operation besides the regular apt-get dist-upgrade. It’s fine by me, I just have no idea what.

I’ve filled bug 1868409 on Launchpad. Hopefully someone other there or on this thread can shed a light on that matter?

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In fact, Windows users do not want auto updates that prevent them from using the system. The Windows 10 automatic update system is intrusive and forced, unlike the existing system in Ubuntu, so I don’t think it’s wise to compare.

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I have a question: When there is a substitution for the Snap format, will there not be a single store to install DEBs, Snaps and Flatpaks?

I installed Focal Fossa ISO 20200327 in which Software is replaced with Snap Store.
Snap Store don’t install Chrome, search don’t find Tweaks, Synaptic and Steam.
When you search for calculator, you get the snap version of Gnome Calculator and a proposal to install. No trace of the installed deb version of Gnome Calculator.
sudo apt install flatpak, installed Software as mentioned above.
Snap Store list 4 applications as installed and Software list 46.
I think there are a lot to do in case Snap Store shall replace Software in Ubuntu 20.04.

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The snap-store preinstalled in the current ISO is snap:snap-store stable/ubuntu-20.04 308
and does not work in Wayland

Correct… same issue… I have created an bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1870184 please go to the bug and click on it effected me button so that it gets higher priority to the developers. Thanks. :slight_smile:

From what I understand, the auto-updates refer to Snap packages, and since these are containerized applications, not system updates, they can’t jeopardize the system.

I somehow feel that changing something on my PC is my job unless I tell someone else to.

: neutral tone :

Why is the Ubuntu beta image using the semi-useless snap-store version that only shows snaps, no .deb packages…?

A bug. It should also show debs from the archive as usual.

I guess a bug of sorts though more recent ‘builds’ of snap-store are fine here.
My working install has 20200401.4cde4f1 which works fine.
Refreshing the beta’s 20191114.a9948d5 to latest/beta: 20200403.d6b9c02 also works fine…

I hope that gnome-software will get its 3.36 update soon. The appstream error with 3.35.91 is very annoying. @seb128?

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@robert.ancell did that update now

https://launchpadlibrarian.net/473131226/gnome-software_3.36.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes

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I disagree. Most computer users don’t want or care about how computers work, and use them as a tool, not has their hobby, they’re not interested at all to learn about them, and making them or encouraging them to do so might confuse them, and annoy them.

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