New ubuntu-unity iso

I built a new ISO last night. it will not be up for long. I just wanted some feedback of how caja looks in general. Of course a lot of features are broke atm. Do you think it fits with unity?

http://people.ubuntu.com/~twocamels/archive/

Edit: The ubuntu-unity-nemo-amd64.iso is very stable.
Edit: nemo experiemental iso has been moved from main archive. Thanks to all those who tested.

Edit: New, updated ubuntu-unity-ppa-amd64.iso, Dec 27
Regards…

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I’ve had the opportunity to test the caja-experiment ISO in live-mode and I personally think caja feels right at home and integrates nicely with Unity (to other testers, do ignore the green wallpaper and the lack of unity dash color change to accommodate it, those are integration issues).

And to me it’s a move forward because I’ve never liked the direction nautilus has been heading since 3.10, namely with reduced options and features. In that sense caja brings back features I’ve been missing, like the up button, status bar, and the ability to write in the address bar, just to name a few.

Also, caja, as a part of the MATE project, means that its design/development pace will be conservative, something I think falls in line with maintaining Unty7 alive. It also means it’s possible to borrow the work already done with Ubuntu MATE to bring up an Ubuntu Unity flavor with a nice, curated selection of software.

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@biohazara
I appreciate that you had posted your testing result and your above views. There are issues installing caja in an unsquashed iso so it is really tweaky kind of stuff to get it right. If not later tonight then I hope by Friday I’ll have something more workable available.

Well this is true in many respects but we want to keep ubuntu-unity themes and apps working to some degree, that renders unity distinctly unity. We don’t want it to be an assimilated project that is leaning to heavily on other flavors. Of course all the other major shells have something to offer, something to pull in as possible defaults and I like your reasoning on the topic.

As a programmer I was taught that programming efficiency is tantamount. Small, fast little modules and loops. This is what is happening to nautilus to a degree. What some may see as nautilus getting the brush-cut, others see as trimming UI eyecandy and other features that some consider wishlist. This makes for faster, more efficient desktop but there is a price to pay in that some user_space intuitive navigation suffers. So the trick is to find a balance betwix the two. Hopefully we will.

Regards…

I get what you mean, I wouldn’t want it to be an assimilated project like that either. The question is, will Unity7 have enough maintainers to be on its own safely, especially considering that relies on compiz, something that mid-to-long term will be considered obsolete as wayland becomes more and more common.

Then again, I don’t see xfce, for example, using anything other than X for a long time.

I do know that my comments are from the perspective of a user exclusively. I’m not into the technical details and I won’t pretend otherwise. That said, I see what you mean regarding nautilus from a user’s perspective, and makes me think of nautilus vs. nemo: even though I use nemo for myself, I don’t really advise anyone on my family to use it with standard Ubuntu 16.04, as nautilus feels more responsive and stable, so something must be going on under the hood. caja is equally stable and responsive as nautilus in my experience though, but I’ve always imagined that’s because it’s been very consistent since its fork from GNOME2.

What I’m trying to say is that whatever you guys decide, I do know it’s with that balance you speak of in mind and it will be the best possible technical decision. :slightly_smiling_face:

You will notice that I have left xwayland and all it’s component in the distros I am building. I will do so until mid-january because we may experiment at porting unity to wayland or even xmir. Mark Shuttleworth , in his blog, mentioned:

[quote]
“And if you’re feeling boned by the lack of Unity in open source, you might want to hop onto the channel and join those who are updating Unity7 for the newest X and kernel graphics in 18.04.”[/quote] - so only Mark can interpret his own words but I see that he is hinting that there will be some new upgrades to X goodies. So if that is the support that Canonical can offer us , I think we can deal with it an adapt and build some cool stuff.

The people who worked on unity-session during 17.10 did a magnificent job and left it better than they found it and so they made it easy for others to jump on the maintainers train :wink:

Regards…

Let’s stay with ubuntu-unity as it is now for the 18.04. Later, if anyone wants, we can move to Caja or whatever file manager. Everything works quite well with standard ubuntu-unity-18.04.

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I have just built another .iso using pcmanfm: https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM

Please read that link. I think we can work with the dev.

Let me test the .ISO and if it looks testable I’ll put it up this afternoon.

Caja in our back pocket no doubt. Just a note. My .ISOs are usng the updated/upgraded 18.04 default ubuntu.ISO. I will also build an .ISO with the meta-pack from the unity7 PPA that Khurshid has built… just gimme time :slight_smile: This is just testing. This is stuff not written in stone hehehe :wink:

edit: pcmanfm presented some anomolies in the built .ISO and although they were interesting the .ISO is not really fit for uploading/testing.

I know that…go on testing. That’s what we do anyway, isn’t it? :grin:

@khurshid-alam

I tried to build a raw .ISO with cubic from 18.04 daily with the ubuntu-unity-desktop ppa: and it failed - (unresolved depends) in chroot# when you:
apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop

Terminal log? Ubuntu recently dropped few packages from bionic so we need to remove those from source as well.

Here is chroot terminal paste from Cubic.

root@ventrical-System-Product-Name:~# sudo add-apt-repository ppa:unity7maintainers/unity7-desktop
 Testing and experimental packages for Unity-7 desktop
 More info: https://launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/unity7-desktop
Press [ENTER] to continue or Ctrl-c to cancel adding it.

gpg: keybox '/tmp/tmp48imfwu5/pubring.gpg' created
gpg: /tmp/tmp48imfwu5/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
gpg: key *****************: public key "Launchpad PPA for Unity7 Maintainers Team" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1
OK
root@ventrical-System-Product-Name:~# sudo apt-get update
Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease [235 kB]
Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity7maintainers/unity7-desktop/ubuntu bionic InRelease [15.9 kB]
Hit:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease        
Hit:4 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease      
Get:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages [1,059 kB]
Get:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity7maintainers/unity7-desktop/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages [1,872 B]
Get:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity7maintainers/unity7-desktop/ubuntu bionic/main Translation-en [280 B]
Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main Translation-en [535 kB]
Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main Translation-en_CA [5,448 B]
Get:10 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [387 kB]
Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons [257 kB]
Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/restricted amd64 Packages [8,848 B]
Fetched 2,506 kB in 6s (398 kB/s)                                      
Reading package lists... Done
root@ventrical-System-Product-Name:~# sudo apt-get install ubuntu-unity-desktop
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 ubuntu-unity-desktop : Depends: lightdm but it is not installable
                        Depends: notify-osd but it is not installable
                        Depends: unity but it is not installable
                        Depends: unity-control-center but it is not installable
                        Depends: unity-greeter but it is not installable
                        Depends: unity-session but it is not installable
                        Depends: unity-settings-daemon but it is not installable
                        Recommends: a11y-profile-manager-indicator but it is not installable
                        Recommends: activity-log-manager but it is not installable
                        Recommends: fonts-nanum but it is not installable
                        Recommends: fonts-takao-pgothic but it is not installable
                        Recommends: gir1.2-gmenu but it is not installable
                        Recommends: gnome-system-log but it is not installable
                        Recommends: libqt4-sql-sqlite but it is not installable
                        Recommends: onboard but it is not installable
                        Recommends: overlay-scrollbar-gtk2 but it is not installable
                        Recommends: qt-at-spi but it is not installable
                        Recommends: sni-qt but it is not installable
                        Recommends: unity-accessibility-profiles but it is not installable
                        Recommends: unity-webapps-common but it is not installable
                        Recommends: xterm but it is not going to be installed
                        Recommends: zeitgeist-datahub but it is not installable
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
root@ventrical-System-Product-Name:~# 

but unity-session installs with no problem from /universe

Did you have universe enabled, before attempting to install the ubuntu-unity-desktop?

wow… just remembered that I did this build from daily - so … being on a roll I thought it was enabled - and it was not. Ya see … thats I why I wanted you to join the team :slight_smile:

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@khurshid-alam @chanath

After I enabled universe repos it installed like a breeze. Have about 10 projects going here. I’ll test the build as it is cooking now and if it is testable it will be our first milestone with the meta-package.

Edit:

Our first milestone being uploaded now. It works stable in live session. It is pure unity desktop from meta.

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I did a hard, seamless install on this machine:

ventrical@ventrical-Precision-WorkStation-T3400:~$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: ventrical-Precision-WorkStation-T3400 Kernel: 4.13.0-16-generic x86_64
           bits: 64 gcc: 7.2.0
           Desktop: Gnome  (Gtk 3.22.26-1ubuntu2)
           Distro: Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch)
Machine:   Device: desktop System: Dell product: Precision WorkStation T3400 serial: N/A
           Mobo: Dell model: 0TP412 serial: N/A
           BIOS: Dell v: A03 date: 01/31/2008
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 (-MCP-) 
           arch: Conroe rev.11 cache: 4096 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 19153
           clock speeds: max: 2394 MHz 1: 2394 MHz 2: 2394 MHz 3: 2394 MHz
           4: 2394 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF119 [GeForce GT 610] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: x11 (X.Org 1.19.5 )
           drivers: nouveau (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1440x900@59.89hz
           OpenGL: renderer: NVD9 version: 4.3 Mesa 17.2.4 Direct Render: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF119 HDMI Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-16-generic
Network:   Card: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM5754 Gigabit Ethernet PCIE
           driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 160.0GB (5.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST3160815AS size: 160.0GB temp: 33C
Partition: ID-1: / size: 69G used: 3.8G (6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.21GB used: 0.00GB (0%)
           fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 34.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 29.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 193 Uptime: 12 min Memory: 1181.5/3881.8MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121) inxi: 2.3.40 
ventrical@ventrical-Precision-WorkStation-T3400:~$ 

I noticed the ppa points to bionic beaver main:

Screenshot from 2017-11-24 15-45-24

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By the way, the first Unity 7 distro on 17.10 and 18.04 to appear in the 'Net had been found and noticed by Distrowatch today (27.11.17) http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20171127#waiting

@dale-f-beaudoin Maybe, you should also announce yours to Distrowatch. It takes a while for Distrowatch to notice a new distro, so better send a email. More the people know about your ubuntu-unity is better. After all, ubuntu-unity has Cannonical’s consent.

I have no affiliation with the above said Unity7sl distribution. The ISO images I have built can be found here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~twocamels/archive/ with the most current being ubunt-unity-ppa-amd64.iso

We are awaiting word from Technical Board which may take some time.

Regards…

What I am saying is, why not give some info about ubuntu-unity-amd64.iso to Distrowatch? That way, lot of people will know about it.

Perhaps you could do this for the team?

Thanks…

Sure. I will. Only change the name to “old.iso” to “current.iso” or “ubuntu-unity”