New iteration on GNOME shell panel and dock. At this link you’ll find some mockups with solution proposed:
a desperate last attempt to keep transparency
some darker top panel
some lighter top panel
I think you can even comment on the link, but better do it on this thread.
Note: on the link, double click on the pictures or they will be too small to see anything
I remember this difference between dock and panel was the first we decided to remove.
I am not convinced this will solve current design, IMO it makes the screen a bit irregular and does not give us back the nice light from the wallpaper.
I think this one (without the orange) looks really good, but if you want something else @frederik-f has some nice suggestions in the issue here. Also, I don’t think we have to do something just because popular themes does it
I’ve tried to communicate this a few times, but just to be clear:
I’m -500 for polls in the future! I made a “what do you expect to see: A, B, C,…” to get an impression of what people felt belonged to the application. Maybe I didn’t make it clear that we wouldn’t implement the design that got the most votes - lesson learned!
This time I anticipate that I am not convinced with this solution for the following reasons:
with dock on the right side (or with window controls on the left side) it is still possible to have some important window button under the dock and so visible to the user, but not clickable. Basically we’re going to have the same problem we had with the top panel
it looks out of place and a bit messy (but I agree this is not objective). Probably because it’s a simple flat panel, or because of the position (at the bottom of the screen, or with some blurriness, would be totally different).
The popover alpha value is quiet low at the moment at 0.015. Increasing it by only 0.01 to 0.025 is a noticeable yet still usable change. Everything above makes it too transparent - the following is 0.025 (maybe even this is too much):
And to answer why this should not be used for notifications is that somehow this value is again far too low for a white background as you won’t notice any transparency at all on the notifications then (no idea why the alpha value has different results on dark and light backgrounds):
Current notification alpha 0.1 first without and then with mousover:
Sorry, here we go: I fear this is the outcome of our “downstream” dock, which is has not been planed by the gnome designers. How does the ambiance shell does this?
I think it does not look messy with 0.1 because we now have the thin line at the edge of the maximized windows. Yet I understand that some might find the three colored areas (top panel, dock and window) to look odd.
Yes, you’re right. Upstream dock is shorter and appears only in overview, so it’s a totally different use case.
Sorry to stress this again, but we still end with the same problem of top panel transparency, and even more since it’s easier to have windows below the dock
Hm, but this problem is present in unmaximized situations, too. with the panel and the dock. So by the arguments of the initial issue we could go full opaque in maximize and unmaxmized states, too. To prevent the windows to be visible under the dock and panel in every multimonitor situation I don’t want that!
Ahhhhhhhh, no!
Maybe we have miscommunicated. I said the old Ubuntu notify became more transparent on hover, which was fine since you couldn’t click them. But these can have buttons, so no.
Ah not the same thing. With unmaximized window you can still see most of it, so it’s clear that it’s just a window behind the dock/panel. With maximized window you’ll see only a piece of it
This is more an issue in a multi-monitor setup, right? Because I can’t reproduce.
Maybe full opaque is really the way to go since there isn’t any other way to fix this through the theme. Though that again brings up the dark stripe issue. I’m going to propose something a bit outrageous, but, the idea behind Adwaita’s black top-panel and curved edges is to have the top-bar blend into the monitor. Maybe we can follow that idea and have everything become plain black or near plain black when a window is maximized?
