Impact of Wayland rollout on Xubuntu

With Wayland becoming the predominant foundation for GUIs, may I ask the Xubuntu Team to outline, in User-oriented language, what strategy is being pursued to

  • integrate with X-Wayland, or

  • ensure the “business-continuity” (for End-User Desktop as well) of a well-oiled and functioning X-Window system platform going forward ?

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Xorg isn’t disappearing from the archives. It’s just being demoted from main to universe. This will have no effect on Xubuntu.

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Thank you, Erich, for pointing that out. However, that doesn’t really address my question.

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Well, since Xubuntu uses Xfce, then it’s sometimes best to go to the source.

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Am I understanding correctly, that x11 will still be the main alternative in the next version, Xubuntu 26.04 LTS?

I am eager to find out the same, as I rely heavely on X11 for some of my critical apps that are not working under Wayland. Thank you for the input.

It is all there in the link to the “Source” which is the Xfce Wayland Development Roadmap.

For Xfce 4.20, the plan was to add preliminary support to Wayland to core components without losing X11 support.

Xubuntu 26.04 LTS will use Xfce 4.20.

Under Long Term Goals there is this

It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at all).

The way things worked out with Ubuntu we first got a Wayland compositor with X11 still being available. And then Wayland became the default. And then X11 was removed. I would not be surprised if a similar pattern happens with Xubuntu’s move from X11 to a Wayland compositor. Everything depends on the progress made by the Xfce development team. Which cannot be foreseen or predicted.

Regards

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Currently xfce4-screensaver handles screen locking while LightDM handles the login screen and user switching. This split means LightDM greeter settings don’t apply to the lock screen, creating an inconsistent experience. Using dm-tool lock everywhere would unify behaviour and simplify configuration. I appreciate this may become moot if Xubuntu transitions to Wayland.

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With Wayland becoming the predominant foundation for GUIs

No it isn’t. It’s largely Linux-only. It does not affect NetBSD, OpenBSD, or any commercial/proprietary Unix. It also does not affect Android which has approximately 2 to 3 orders of magnitude more users than all desktop Linux users in the world.

You have embedded a false assumption into your question making it impossible to directly answer. In life in general, when asking questions you must always check you have not embedded assumptions. This is the old “Answer yes or no: have you stopped beating your wife?” paradox.

may I ask the Xubuntu Team to outline,

It’s nothing to do with them. This stuff is the choice of the Xfce developers. Xfce runs on multiple other OSes than Linux and so will not be switching entirely to Wayland at any point in the foreseeable future.

in User-oriented language,

This is a buzzword and meaningless.

integrate with X-Wayland, or

Meaningless. Xwayland is a tool for running X11 apps under Wayland. It is not in any way related to what you are asking.

  • ensure the “business-continuity” (for End-User Desktop as well)

Meaningless. The only official Ubuntu desktop that Canonical supports is GNOME and it is now Wayland-only.

Canonical does not offer or support Xfce-based systems and never has.

of a well-oiled and functioning X-Window system platform going forward ?

Largely meaningless. The official Canonical desktop is GNOME and it no longer supports X11 sessions, at all.

Game over.

The community-supported remixes can do what they like. X11 is not going anywhere as long as other Unixes and Unix-like OSes still exist, no matter how much Red Hat and its employees want it to disappear.

All this stuff about “X11 is dead! Wayland is the future!” is basically hype and disinformation from Red Hat and RH-backed developers. There are dozens of X11 implementations out there which are nothing to do with X.org and the RH-backed team. Ignore them. Maybe one day soon they will go away.

RH is investing heavily in “AI”. In my considered professional opinion, generative AI is a total scam, and it is both economically and environmentally catastrophic, as well as seriously toxic to its users, to intellectual property rights, and to FOSS.

With a bit of luck, maybe the imminent AI winter and the collapse of the AI-fuelled bubble will take Red Hat with it. :slight_smile:

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That was my foundational assumption, and did believe that it would be the driving force behind the decisions.

I stand corrected, and thank you.

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